Outrageous Confessions, Coming of Age Stories and Feminist Parenting

Georgie:

This program is brought to you by Pussy Magnets. Welcome.

Freya Graf:

Welcome, my lovely lumps, Or should I say lovely labs? I'm so thrilled to have you here in the labia lounge. We're gonna yarn about all things sexuality, womanhood, relationships, intimacy, holistic health, and everything in between. Your legs. Oh. Can't help myself. Anyway, we're gonna have vag loads of real chats with real people about real shit. So buckle up. You're about to receive the sex ed that you never had and have a bloody good laugh while you're at it.

Freya Graf:

Before we dive in, I'd like to respectfully acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land on which I'm recording this, the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. It's an absolute privilege to be living and creating dope podcast content in Naarm and I pay respect to their elders past, present and emerging. Now, if you're all ready, let's flap and do this. Oh my god. Is there such thing as too many vagina jokes in the one intro? Whatever. It's my podcast. I'm leaving it in. Hey gang.

Freya Graf:

Just before we jump into this episode, I wanted to offer you an opportunity to access my new mini course for free before I start charging for it in future. It's for people with vulvas and it's quick to complete. It's all about demystifying the female body and pleasure anatomy and getting some basic fundamentals to understand your body better. It's called Pussy Pleasure Secrets, Your Roadmap to Bedroom Bliss. You can grab it on the freebies page of my website or in the show notes. It's a great little free resource to kind of dip your toe in or act as a bit of a taster for my work. So if you've ever been curious about this sort of thing and you just don't know where to start or you want a really quick, easy, accessible, non threatening way to get the ball rolling and start working on this stuff, this is a great place to start. What's up guys? I've lost my voice again after a fun boogie, chillerino weekend out in the bush at a little festival.

Freya Graf:

Possibly thinking I've done permanent damage to my vocal cords at this point because I feel like it's been a solid six to twelve months since I've really had like a proper robust voice. I feel like I'm losing it basically at the drop of a hat. So if anyone knows a speech pathologist or has any idea about this kind of thing, let a gal know. But this episode is a really special one as is pretty typical with these impromptu kind of informal chats that I do at home. The audio quality isn't amazing, so apologies for that. I've done my best with the editing, but again, I just taught myself by Googling how to do this shit. So I'm definitely no audio engineer tech pro. Hopefully it's listenable, but this is a really cool chat with my darling and dear housemate, who's just an absolute fucking G bomb.

Freya Graf:

And we discuss everything from, you know, how she's really intentionally bringing up her daughter and how we're going to attempt to do this in a really kind of open sex positive, empowering way. We talk about a lot of stories from my housemate's childhood and teenage years when it comes to given gobbies and, you know, sexuality and her first masturbation experiences and hymens and all different stuff. We have some funny stories in there about more recent adventures, cane toad racing and all sorts of wacky stuff. So it's basically, yeah, a fucking mad episode. I don't know how I'm going to title it. I don't know how I'm going to, encapsulate what we cover in this episode because there's a lot in there. But I highly recommend giving it a go. It's very, very on brand for the labia lounge.

Freya Graf:

And these are the kinds of chats and stories that I'm having on the reg with the people that are close to me, that I love. And often I'm just like, fuck. Can we just get a mic out and record this? Because this is absolutely fire. If you wanna hear more of this kind of stuff, I was kinda contemplating doing, like, a monthly, episode with this particular guest since we do live together. So maybe once, you know, her kids down to bed at night, we can have a little recording session here and there. I do also have another chat that I did with her, that doesn't have the best sound quality and I was contemplating whether I'd publish it or not. It's pretty fucking raw dog though. We definitely have some serious cackles.

Freya Graf:

And what I think I'll do is just put it on my buy me a coffee page, and or Patreon so that if you want to pay like $3 or whatever it is to subscribe and be a member and support my work, fiscally, you can get access to that sort of extra content that's really quality content, in terms of what's in it, but potentially not great sound quality and maybe even a little bit too out of pocket to publish on my professional platforms. So if you're interested in that and you want more of this kind of thing, please let me know. And yeah, there might be more to come. Definitely more to come on my Patreon and Buy Me A Coffee pages. Enjoy.

Freya Graf:

Cool. Alright. Well, basically, I want I've heard some stories out of you that made me fucking squeal and screech and cackle and I just like

Georgie:

She's got a few. She's got stories.

Freya Graf:

And the first one that I want I'm like, that is the most on brand thing ever. My listeners have to hear about this. I wanna hear about the electric toothbrush story with your girlfriends in high school.

Georgie:

Was it

Freya Graf:

primary school? Did it start?

Georgie:

No. It was high school. It was quite early high school. I'd say year seven or year eight. So pretty young. How old are you in your seven year eight? Like 12? 12 13. 13. Yeah.

Georgie:

We were pretty young and I was a year young for my year level as well. So I was sort of like the youngest out of all the rest of the year.

Freya Graf:

I love that you were leading the charge

Georgie:

on this. Well, it's funny. I don't know if I was necessarily leading the charge per se because I sort of just fell into this amazing group of girls where there were quite a few of us that were really just curious and interested in, you know, whatever.

Freya Graf:

Like Pleasure.

Georgie:

Yeah. And there was not a lot of rules. Like, we love just being outrageous and getting a laugh. Like, anything that was a bit out there was humor for us so That's

Freya Graf:

fucking sweet.

Georgie:

Yeah. It was really good and I often think what my life would be like if I didn't have these girlfriends because it's just sort of doesn't really seem like most teenage girls experience at least in our generation anyway. So we're so so lucky but ultimately we were camping out at my friend's, property and I'm gonna say we were in year eight. I think it was for her birthday and so it was like quite the first quarter of year eight pretty early in the year. And someone at the door.

Freya Graf:

Is it? Yep. Oh my god. Well, do I have to put a top on? Can I just stay here?

Georgie:

No. You stay there.

Freya Graf:

Alright. So sorry that you we just got all oiled up and everything. At least that means it's done. Is that is it the Hit it. The smoke alarm guy? Yep. Detector inspector or some shit? It is. Oh my god. I still get texts from them from like a house from years ago.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Alright. I'm gonna angle my chair so he can't see my nerves.

Georgie:

He just told me he's doing a full electrical inspection. It's gonna take an hour.

Freya Graf:

Ew. I

Georgie:

was like, well, you can just do what you want. I'm just gonna be in the backyard.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Oh, no. That sucks though that you have to have clothes on.

Georgie:

Well, I don't because it's gonna be in the house.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Fuck it.

Georgie:

I'll just lay down

Freya Graf:

here. Yeah. Great. Okay. That's super annoying. Man, what a day.

Georgie:

I know. Fucking hell.

Freya Graf:

Oh, no.

Georgie:

Fucking hell. Pop that bit out. You're not recording, Yeah. Just Oh, yeah. Damn. Yeah. I hate that I, like, just started that story too. Do you need a do I need

Freya Graf:

to start again? Or where No. Where did you get up to? You're at a birthday party.

Georgie:

Yeah. We're camping at my friend's property and some of the details are a bit foggy. I can't recall how we actually came into possession of this toothbrush and came of the realization that this electric toothbrush could be used as a sex toy but there was a type of electric toothbrush that was for sale back in the early two thousands where you could take the head off and when you take the head off an electric toothbrush these days it looks quite harsh. Like you think, oh, how could that pressure the cleaning it? It's sharp. Yeah. But this toothbrush wasn't like that. It had like a little rounded tip.

Freya Graf:

Okay. So yeah. This electric toothbrush had like perfectly designed sort of head if you took off the brush to be able to whack on your clit and use as vibrator.

Georgie:

Yeah.

Freya Graf:

I mean, I've I've heard of that. I've that's common. So many people will relate to this I reckon.

Georgie:

Yeah.

Freya Graf:

But not not the next bit I guess.

Georgie:

Well because we were so young and curious and I guess

Freya Graf:

Free of shame.

Georgie:

Free of shame. Somehow. To some degree. Yeah. Absolutely. I'm gonna say the shame probably crept in later but at this point in time I think we were so young that maybe our parents didn't really know what was going on. So there wasn't a lot of yeah. No real stigma attached to it.

Georgie:

But yeah. We would literally share the toothbrush amongst us.

Freya Graf:

My god. I just

Georgie:

walked and farted.

Freya Graf:

Did you hear that fart? It was tiny bit of a No idea.

Georgie:

Will I smell it?

Freya Graf:

No. Not that.

Georgie:

Hope the mic picks it up.

Freya Graf:

Yeah.

Georgie:

So we would literally lay if it wasn't in the tent at the birthday party but what followed was this obsession with the toothbrush where every time we'd have a sleepover we would lay in the bed like you know three little pigs like just squealing with excitement and it we would just be passing the toothbrush back and forth until, you know, you you'd have an orgasm and then it would be like no it's my turn like it was Oh my god. Yeah and it was so

Freya Graf:

Hurry up. Give it to me.

Georgie:

Yeah. You've been having it for ages like

Freya Graf:

And did you just keep passing it around and having like multiple orgasms?

Georgie:

Yeah. Essentially. Yep. Over and over and over again, for hours, which was yeah. The earliest introduction to self pleasure that I can think of. The downside is that it definitely led to a reliance on sex toys to be able to experience orgasm which I think a lot of women can relate to and a lot of women have that issue so yeah it's not all sunshine and rainbows but I guess the the the the most amazing thing for me is that yeah it wasn't like you know something that wasn't talked about in our friend group it was like a communal activity of sorts. So funny. I just

Freya Graf:

love that.

Georgie:

Yeah. Fascinating stuff really. And yet like people would be like oh that's gross like when you think about it now you're like oh that's disgusting but it's like we were so innocent like we were virgins we were like it was just a toothbrush amongst friends. It's not some like it's not some big like you know, horny Yeah. You know, orgy where we're all like, you know, we're not pashing and like Yeah. There was it wasn't like really sexually fueled like that. It was literally just

Freya Graf:

Pleasure. Innocent pleasure.

Georgie:

Innocent pleasure. A %. And exploration

Freya Graf:

and getting to know cool things that your body can do. Yeah. And doing that, like, among friends. Like, that's so fucking sick because that would have, like, safeguarded you from potentially, like, you know, I've heard people sort of experience self pleasure and orgasm, you know, when they're young and be like, what the fuck just happened? What is this? Am I the only person that this happens to? Is this the good thing is it's not because they've already had, like, layers of conditioning and shame around genitals. So when something feels really nice, but they have shame and they think that that area is, like, dirty or Mhmm. Sinful to touch or whatever, you know, they feel quite ashamed and don't tell anyone about it. This cool thing that their body can do, but then it's, like, so mingled with shame and guilt.

Georgie:

Mhmm.

Freya Graf:

So they can't just fully enjoy it and be curious about it because it's sort of yeah. It's like double edged sword. And so it's just beautiful that, like, you not only were, like, free of shame at that time, found something cool that your body could do, explored pleasure and arousal, and, like, got to, like, giggle and have fun with your friends and support each other to, like, be explorative and curious.

Georgie:

Mhmm.

Freya Graf:

And like, I don't know. It was almost it was probably was like quite bonding and this Yeah. Chitler thing that you did together and loads of endorphins.

Georgie:

Yeah. And also just like spreading that message amongst other friends as well. Just like without any guilt or shame attached. Just like, oh, yeah. You don't masturbate with a toothbrush. You gotta try it. You know? That's fine. It just became a point where we would, you know, you'd go to Woolies and you'd innocently buy an electric toothbrush and then you'd give it to their friend as a birthday present.

Georgie:

Like, it was just such a thing, like, spreading the joy, in a really innocent and, yeah, gorgeous way. Oh my god. And, yeah, a %, like, still I would still consider those girls, like, some of my best friends. Like, because yeah. Those experiences and those years that we shared together were just, like you said, bonding in a really really important way. Yeah. And we do. We thank each other regularly.

Georgie:

We're like, thank you so much for being there in those really impressionable years of puberty because I would not have turned out that way. And we all echo that same sentiment amongst us because it's just it is such a special special thing.

Freya Graf:

Wow. That's incredible. I don't think many people had that.

Georgie:

Yeah. No. It's true. I'm so so lucky. And you know the weird thing, like, even when then because I grew up in such a tiny country town, like, you know, it was before the days of I mean, there was dial up internet obviously, but it was before the days of, you know, just jumping on Lovehoney and buying whatever fucking toy you like and, you know, it's not like we were watching porn and, there was none of that. It was so so innocent but I remember when we discovered that the local like gift shop sold dildos. It was the only place you could buy a sex toy in town was at this local gift shop which was run by this like really odd, woman and, yeah. I remember I remember my mum finding that in my drawer and, I got in trouble.

Freya Graf:

Really?

Georgie:

Yeah. Her reaction was not a favorable one. And I understand now that she was probably just in shock. Yeah. Yeah. It was definitely just from a place of shock, and she was just projecting her shame onto me really. But she confiscated my dildo.

Freya Graf:

Oh my god. Oh my god.

Georgie:

I remember being like, woah. What the hell? What just happened? So weird being that age and having your mom confiscate you do it.

Freya Graf:

I was like,

Freya Graf:

what do you want to

Georgie:

do with it?

Freya Graf:

Did you feel like, who went into the gift shop and bought it? Like, did you feel worried that especially small country town vibes that, like, they would get out or there was anything to be embarrassed or ashamed about? Like, did you try to hide it from your mom or you didn't realize until that moment that it was something that might not be okay or whatever?

Georgie:

Yeah. Look, I definitely didn't want her to know that I was doing it. Like, when I think about my earliest moments of being sprung by my mom, it was actually, like rocking on the edge of the couch. Mhmm. You know how a lot of, like, that's your first feeling of, oh, wow. There's a pleasure point there Yeah. On my on my pubic bone. Yeah.

Georgie:

Like, I remember being told to, like, get off the couch and, like, stop. Like, what are you doing? Stop rocking on the couch or rubbing on the table edge. Because I was just like so, yeah. I definitely think it was I didn't want her to know that I was Yeah. Doing it. I I was it wasn't gonna stop me from doing it. Yeah. But it just was not something that I was, you know, felt that I was able to do freely in my home anymore.

Georgie:

So Yeah. Woah.

Freya Graf:

That room so, yeah. That reminds me of a story that I think I did like a labia lounge, like, talk or workshop at some little private event and it sparked a few stories among the audience and one of them was so precious. Basically, like, he this this guy had gone to, like, a school camp in maybe, like, year six, maybe. Yeah. Maybe year six or seven or something. Bunch of 11 or 12 year old boys and they, like, you know, they're in the dorms with the bunk beds and whatever and he remembers this one kid coming, like, it was probably coming back from, like, school holidays or whatever and then they had this camp and he was like, oh my god. Like, guys. Like, guess what? I've discovered, like, you like, you've got to check this out.

Freya Graf:

Like, watch this. He's like, I just was, like, in the bath, like, kind of, like, playing with my penis and then, like, it just this thing started to happen. Oh, I'll I'll just I'll show you. I'll show you. So they've got a circle of, like, young boys standing around this this boy and he drops his yaks and he starts doing this, like, almost like like not gripping it and, like, going up and down like a regular like wanking motion, but he's obviously figured out because he was just playing with his flaccid penis as a child in the bath and he's kind of flopping his hand like this. Like how would I even describe that?

Georgie:

Like flicking his wrist in a way. With his penis in his Yeah.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just sort of loosely, like, flicking his wrist with his with his dick just sort of flopping about. And then it starts growing and getting harder. And he's like, yeah. And then it just, like, sort of, like, got really big and then and then and he's like, you just keep doing this

Georgie:

and you just work really fast. Yeah. He's working in front of

Freya Graf:

his friends. And then you go really fast and you just like keep going and then this thing happens and he juiced in his hand and everyone was like, woah, like, what? And he, well, you know, was walking around the circle, like, showing them this, like, load in his hand and they're all, like, kinda, like, poking it and touching it and, like, stretching it between their fingers and giving it a sniff and being like, woah. Like, because obviously no they're at that age where yeah. They were just starting like some of them were starting to

Georgie:

hit Yeah.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. And like get erections and they hadn't really seen cum before. And How did

Georgie:

you get it in his hand? I guess he That's a good thing, isn't it? Yeah. That's crazy.

Freya Graf:

He might have just held over the top

Georgie:

of his head.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. But, yeah, like, so innocent, so pure, so, like, curious, and, like, excited about this cool thing that he's fucking dit can do. And everyone's like, you know, minus any because also, like, this guy was similar age to me. So back then, there wasn't they weren't all on the porn

Georgie:

Yeah. When they

Freya Graf:

were fucking active.

Georgie:

We definitely weren't influenced by that unless you like, I remember seeing, you know, my dad had, like, VHS, you know, stacked it stashed in his undies drawer or something. Yeah. So it's like, yeah, cool. I'm sure there was a bit of that floating around, but it's not accessible.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. But like somehow like you this would not happen nowadays because of the internet and Yeah.

Georgie:

But

Freya Graf:

like somehow that group of like however many, you know, 15 kids, boys had still never seen semen and didn't know that their dick could do that.

Georgie:

It's crazy.

Freya Graf:

And so they were, like, fascinated. And it's just so gorgeous, like, how stripped of any of the shame, like, it is just this interesting Mhmm. Kind of fast like, kind of impressive thing that It is.

Georgie:

It is. A %. The body he was

Freya Graf:

and yeah. He wasn't ashamed. He was, you know, and everyone was just so I love that. And then the other thing I wanted to say is, like, this kind of makes, like, leads into, like, how we've been, like so your daughter who's three about to turn four for the last maybe six months or so has been sort of talking about, you know, her genitals and, like, getting kinda curious. Like, saw you putting a tampon in and then

Georgie:

was like, what's that?

Freya Graf:

And then was like it was a Christmas time and she was like trying to shove like Christmas decorations up there being like I've got a tampon like mum. And like getting kind of curious about this sort of stuff. Yeah. And so we've been chatting about like, you know, what how to talk to her about it and, what you know, when she asks questions, how to respond. What we're gonna do when she starts pleasuring and yeah. Just like we were riffing on, actually wrote wrote some of them down riffing on like a name because I was like, oh, I know like some moms that have like a little like a little corner that's all cozy and maybe a little, like, sort of semi private. Maybe it's got a curtain. Maybe it's like in a cubby house.

Freya Graf:

Maybe it's like, you know, the little teepee that we've got in the living room. All cushions and it's like their little self pleasure corner where they can go and, like, not feel ashamed but feel like it's a special thing. But just that, you know, they have a safe space to go and do that that's semi private. And so rather than being like, don't do that in public or whatever, we can just encourage her to use her, you know, little space. And so we're brainstorming names for it. I've got meaning, like, people can ride in with with, names.

Georgie:

Yeah. Give us some suggestions.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. I've got Clam Cafe.

Georgie:

That sounds kind of fucked. The Bean Room? The Bean Room is great. I love it. That's funny

Freya Graf:

because like the Green Room. Maz Cave, Queen Cave, and Pussy Shed. That's all we had, but it was fucking fun thing to try to brainstorm.

Georgie:

Yeah. I I I love the idea of it. I do feel like even having a room or introducing the notion of a private space. Yeah. I like, I don't know. I'm maybe I'm just so paranoid about, sexual assault or, like, that kinda creeping in. Like, the thought of her knowing that there's a private place where she can't be interrupted doing stuff like that, that's there's still something about that that just feels a little bit sticky to me. Mhmm.

Georgie:

I guess I'm just on such high alert for like anything, which is like probably need to bring myself down from that a bit.

Freya Graf:

In so you might say more on that though like because that sort of predisposes her to like how is that risky if it's in the home and no one else is

Georgie:

doing anything. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. I guess like in your own home totally fine. I just really wanna foster a super open relationship with her where, you know, that's like, some people would probably be like, oh, why are you putting tampons in in front of your three year old daughter? It's like, that's the way that I'm raised. I always go to the toilet with the door open. I let her see my body Yep.

Georgie:

You know, at any time of the day or night. You know, I don't want her to feel any shame about toileting or natural bodily Yep. You know, functions whatsoever. And I feel like masturbation is sort of a bit of an extension of that, like, in some respects. And as someone that has also just been manipulated to the nth degree by someone that I trusted Mhmm. I guess I'm just acutely aware that anyone can be manipulated by anyone. Right? Like, it and it could be someone that I do trust and that we let into our home. Like, yeah.

Georgie:

It's it's one of those things, like, the more you know and the more you research some things, it's like it can be so triggering as well. Like, even seeing I saw today I follow this Instagram page called, Project Rescue Children and they, you know, talk about, like, big busts in, you know, children yeah. Sex trafficking and, you know, they report on, like, major cases of, sexual assault. And, they reported that there's a Bikies Against Children for Sexual, bikies against sexual assault and the vice president of that has just been, charged with child sex offenses. So, like, these people hide in plain sight. They literally, you know, put themselves in position where you they should be trusted. Yeah. So, like, yeah.

Georgie:

Even even in the home, because I feel like that's a lot of the time where the perpetration happens as well. Is that a word? Perpetration?

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Yeah.

Georgie:

I guess it. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because you

Georgie:

know what I mean? Like, it is it is. It's family members or it's it's it's any it's it's cousins. It's it can be Yeah. Child on child sexual assault is also something that is really widely not discussed enough because there's also a lot of shame on that for the parents. Especially when it's, you know, oh, he's just a kid, you know, he didn't know what he was doing to his cousin. It's like, well, I'd argue he must have maybe he's a victim himself. That's the only reason why he would Get

Freya Graf:

the idea.

Georgie:

A %. A %. Yeah. So yeah.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. I guess so, like, what what do you what do you wanna do, like, when it comes to that stuff then? Because, like, yeah. Like, how do you like, is it just like cool, just like Maz anywhere around the house whenever you want? Because you so we do have to introduce an element of like this is a special thing that you

Georgie:

do Yeah.

Freya Graf:

Totally. In a safe space.

Georgie:

Yeah.

Freya Graf:

You know, not out in the world in front of people, whatever. Like, if there's people that have come into the home that aren't people that are always here or whatever, like, and you wanna do that, like, what? Just bedroom or

Georgie:

Yeah. I suppose so. Like, I It's a fine line

Freya Graf:

without shaming them. Hey. It's like It really is. If this is such a special fucking thing, then why do I have to hide it and go do it in private? Mhmm. It's really true.

Georgie:

And that's what I mean. I feel like private, to me, the definition of private, it's like I'm not expecting her to, like, feel comfort feel a % comfortable or to sit there and do it in front of me, but I also don't want her to feel like she does need to go to her room and close the door if she doesn't want to. You know, she might be happy to just be, you know, in her room with the door open and that's okay too. I don't wanna really push the idea that it needs to be private. In a spot?

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think like so my friend who I've had on the potty, we did a sex positive parenting episode and she was talking about really similar stuff. She's like, you know, I change tampons and pads in front of her, blah blah blah. And she has a little corner that's, you know, similar to what I was sort of suggesting with the little, like, teepee, which is it's open. Yeah. It's in the living room, but it's it's semi private in that it can feel like a little cocoon, but it's still in the in the sort of like communal space. Yeah.

Freya Graf:

She has like a quarter in the living room with like half of it's curtained and there's cushions and stuff, but it's still, you know, you can still see if there's someone in there and you can still it's not like so tucked away and private. Yeah. And I guess it just changes at different ages as well.

Georgie:

Yeah. That's the thing. Right? Like, I think you have to be adaptable as a parent because there's no rule book on when they are gonna start, you know, hitting certain milestones and doing certain things. So and how they respond to those events accordingly. So yeah. I guess in short, I don't really know. I think I know enough I know enough about my responses that it it won't be a shameful one. Mhmm.

Georgie:

And I will largely be led by her. And if she decides that, you know, doing it somewhere private is better for her, then that's totally fine. But, yeah. I I do just wanna make her feel like, you know, that's her body and she can do what she wants with her body.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Yeah. Sick. Tell me more about oh my god. When you I don't know how old how old you were, but you, you discovered that you you had the hymen and it was preventing me from being able to get tampons in or something? Or or just you just noticed a

Georgie:

Yeah. My hymen story. I was quite young. I think I reckon I would have still been in primary school. It was before so it was before I started menstruating. But you hear a lot about, you know, most people's hymen or most

Freya Graf:

Breaks naturally.

Georgie:

Breaks naturally. Yeah. Yeah. You know, especially if you do sport. Yeah. If you do dancing or horse riding

Freya Graf:

or something.

Georgie:

So I started hearing about this and, you know, I did nippers. I did soccer. I did dancing. So I was like I wasn't a sedentary child. But I learned, upon inspecting myself quite closely in the mirror that my hymen was still there. And so I just recall sitting on the counter, like where the basin is. Mhmm. And sitting right up in this

Freya Graf:

In the bathroom?

Georgie:

Yeah. In the bathroom. Yeah. Because, you know, there's they'd have a mirror behind the Yeah. Behind the sink. I remember sitting up there just inspecting really closely being like, there's a hole there but there's nothing like, you know, you couldn't I couldn't go couldn't go in, couldn't go through. I was like, wow. And the skin was quite thick.

Georgie:

And I couldn't feel anything, like pinching it or poking it. It felt like it wasn't like if someone was to pinch me on the arm. It was there was no nerve endings there essentially. And, again, I don't know if this is just instinct or what the hell, but I went and got a pair of scissors. Oh. Yep. It actually sounds so barbaric.

Freya Graf:

It's so gnarly, dude. What the hell?

Georgie:

Oh, I was too scared

Freya Graf:

to even look at my pussy in the mirror when I was a kid, let alone fucking

Georgie:

What was I thinking? So yeah. I got a pair of scissors and cut my own hymen open.

Freya Graf:

And it gave myself

Georgie:

a I gave myself a vaginal opening. Oh, no. No. I didn't feel a thing. I did not feel a thing.

Freya Graf:

Because I guess you tested it with your fingers first and Yeah.

Georgie:

I knew and I started really slowly. Like, I remember just like rubbing the point of the scissors and just being like, oh, what do I like, Should I do this? What do I do? And then once once I started it was just fascinating.

Freya Graf:

It must have happened quite. I never think

Georgie:

it bled much.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Well, it obviously was, yeah, practically just like dead skin and like, yeah. You obviously had like a, like, pretty big coverage because all hymen's are so different. They can be like perforated with like little holes in them. They can be split down the middle. They can be like almost non existent.

Freya Graf:

They can be fully covering the entire opening. Like, some can be tougher than others. So like yours was obviously, like, quite robust because it hadn't torn on its own and it was pretty thick and it must have been covering enough of your opening that you were, like, able to see it and able to see that it was, like, blocking the opening.

Georgie:

Yeah. Well, I recall like I still had like my perineum was there. It was sort of like picture this. This is not gonna be great for a podcast Yeah. Because I'm using a visual description right now. But think of it like a basketball or like this is this is the hymen, the basketball, and then this is the the perineum like at the bottom. Like it was sort of behind the little v that you'd experience at the very bottom. Yeah.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. You could see where the opening opening was.

Georgie:

And then there was like a curtain. Yeah. Exactly. A curtain which was like sphere shaped in a way. Like yes. So it's Wow. Crazy that I can still recall it.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. It's actually It's crazy that you were so, like, explorative and adventurous and curious, like, to even do that in the first place. And then, like, bolshy enough to fucking snip your own highness. Dude. And then after that, you you just had, like did you start, like, experimenting or exploring, like, penetrative stuff?

Georgie:

No. I don't think so. I think that was that was, like, I was young enough yeah. That was definitely, like, prepubescent. Yeah. That was, that was just more I reckon I would have been maybe in year five or six at that point. Oh. Yeah.

Georgie:

So And

Freya Graf:

you just heard about that. Masturbating.

Georgie:

Yeah. I think you just I don't know again, pre internet, so how the fuck do you hear about this sort of stuff?

Freya Graf:

Maybe sex ed. Maybe Possibly. Yeah.

Georgie:

I don't I don't know. But that was just something that yeah. My first, attempt at mutilating my body. Holy fuck. Not in a pleasurable way, of course. Yeah. Pretty insane.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Pretty insane. Yeah. That's loose, dude. That's fucking hell.

Georgie:

Do you know anyone else that's cut their hymen?

Freya Graf:

I actually definitely have heard at least one person tell me that they've done that. Yep. Yeah. I think maybe a client years and years ago. I don't think it was as chill as it sounds like

Georgie:

it was for me.

Freya Graf:

I can't really remember though. I remember being quite shocked though. I was like, what? You did what? Fucking hell.

Georgie:

Thank you, pardon?

Freya Graf:

Not that I let that show.

Freya Graf:

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Freya Graf:

And now back to the episode.

Freya Graf:

Okay. So back to, like, you having just, like, super gorgeous cute little friends and, like, a cute friendship group.

Georgie:

And no Hyman. And no

Freya Graf:

oh my god. Like I wanted to I want to hear about how you guys had a shared journal. Yeah. Because I actually got I've written that down as a note with like Yeah. That I don't remember. Do you

Georgie:

remember the sisterhood of the traveling pants?

Freya Graf:

Yeah. I loved that too.

Georgie:

Yeah. And did you ever read Kylie Mole Morgette? No. Oh. Was this oh. So funny. I'm not gonna touch too much on Kylie Mole Morgette because I'm gonna completely butcher it. I don't remember the details of the story, but, it was this novel that, we were just obsessed with. And so, yeah.

Georgie:

We started a shared journal because, again, we're in we're in a country town. I reckon we were living I was living probably forty minutes from one of the girls and maybe twenty five or thirty minutes from the other, but we're all going to the same school which was about forty five or fifty minutes from me. But, yeah, there was quite a bit of travel distance between us. But I I think it started as like just a really funny way of documenting what we'd gotten up to on the weekends Mhmm. And, you know, who our crushes were in school and it was just became this really gorgeous way of Yeah. A keepsake if you wish. Not that we knew that's what it was at the time but we've we've kept them.

Freya Graf:

Yeah.

Georgie:

Who's got it? I've got one of them. Good.

Freya Graf:

That was lovely.

Georgie:

Yeah. One of the girls who lives internationally now, she was telling me that she's got them stored at her husband's parents' place.

Freya Graf:

I'm like, what the hell?

Georgie:

Hope they don't read them. Oh my god. But, yeah. A lot of it is just, you know, classic teenage girl stuff. Yeah. But, some of the stories I reckon will just horrify your parents. Like, it's I remember writing about going trick or treating in there when we were 13 years old and we were pretty much approached by an older gentleman who was definitely, you know, being predatory and, you know, we're writing about him having a boner in his pants and like all this sort of stuff.

Freya Graf:

Oh, my god. He should have fucking given him the old

Georgie:

Oh, the razzle dazzle. Oh, so funny. And I remember I remember the journal entry specifically about that was saying that it was talking about me trying to impress this guy. It was like Georgie's so naive.

Freya Graf:

Oh, cut that out. She's so naive.

Georgie:

She's so naive. Look at her like she's flirting with this with this creep, this pedophile. Yeah. So it was really sweet having this, this gorgeous journal where we spoke about all our friends and

Freya Graf:

And you just bring

Georgie:

it to the store and

Freya Graf:

someone else would have a turn.

Georgie:

Yeah. Pretty much. We'd you'd keep it for a week or a weekend at a time and then swap them over and

Freya Graf:

And read each other's entries and stuff.

Georgie:

Yeah. Yeah. We we had love letters to each other. Like, you know, we did things that I really like about you. I remember doing we had like a pro it's actually brutal some of the stuff. We did a pros and cons.

Freya Graf:

About each other? About each other. Oh, yeah. That's fucking I mean, self development work right there.

Georgie:

Totally. Shit. Totally. Yeah. Actually, so funny. I should bust them out and we should read them.

Freya Graf:

That would be an epic

Georgie:

episode. Yeah.

Freya Graf:

Dude, if people listen to this and you wanna hear some of the journal entries, please hit me up.

Georgie:

I'll find it. Even if

Freya Graf:

one person gets in touch with me,

Georgie:

I'll be like, okay. Find us a reason to find you. Yeah. Yeah. That's fucking sick,

Freya Graf:

dude. I love that so much.

Georgie:

Yeah. So good. Honestly, this this this everything that happened with this group of girls was just in the name of humor. Oh, I love that. It was so I wonder if you

Freya Graf:

turned out like such a legend. I don't know how I'm so funny. I didn't have any of this shit.

Georgie:

Yours is a nape. Oh.

Freya Graf:

Doubt it. I probably wasn't

Georgie:

Mine's nurture, not nature.

Freya Graf:

Actually, I did get told I was, like, trying to sorry to interject. I was just trying to fish for stories, from a friend from high school just for this new job that I've got where I need stories of me in high school. And, he did say, like, oh, you're kind of really, like, social butterfly, like, fitted into all these different groups, but you you were definitely always in, like, the group of, like, funny girls. So I was like, oh, I wouldn't have even

Georgie:

thought that.

Freya Graf:

But then I thought about all the other people in our u level, and I was like, yeah. We were we were pretty playful and funny and stupid. Anyway, carry on.

Georgie:

Yeah. It was just all in the name of humor. Like, even even things, that we approached, There was nothing actually now I'm thinking about it. There was literally nothing sexy about us. It was just all stupidity.

Freya Graf:

That's sexy ass.

Georgie:

It was just Yeah. We I don't think we knew how to be sexy because we were just being, you know, big bloody idiots.

Freya Graf:

It was all about, like, getting the lull for the for the rest of the gang and having a great story rather than like

Georgie:

%.

Freya Graf:

But that's so much healthier than, like, what probably most, like, young women and teenagers felt, which was, like, how can I impress boys and, like, do the things that are expected of me because of peer pressure and because, oh, I need to have sex and just get it out of the way? Or, oh, he wants me to give him a blowjob and I'm too scared to say no and that's what everyone's doing and I'll be a frigid otherwise. And whereas you guys were just, like, confident enough and had each other just boosting you you up and had this whole kinda, like, reward of, like, being able to tell a funny story to your girls. Less concerned about stuff than most other chicks would have been, I reckon.

Georgie:

Not just beautiful. Yeah. And, again, I was I think speaking from my own experience, I can definitely relate to, you know, feeling like, you know, you want that guy to like you. So you're gonna do what's cool by them. But whenever I was in this group scenario, I couldn't give a shit. Like, the girls really empowered me, which was beautiful. And one of the girls in particular, like, again, small country town, so when there's a girl from out of town that's visiting the town, it's like, you know, all the boys are like, oh, who's that? And, we were of the age where, you know, you sneak out at night. So I remember sneaking down to the local, footy oval to meet up with a couple of guys who, were keen to see my friend cause she's like, she's not from here, you know.

Georgie:

So like, let's go hook up at the Footy Oval, you know. We'll bring the we'll bring the goon sack. We're like, yeah. Cool. No problem. So down we went to the Footy Oval and, this one, guy in particular was like to my friend, yo you you want to hook up? And she's like yeah definitely. So she's she skips off with him want into a dark corner and this this poor guy this poor guy he's thinking I'm fucking king shit you know I've just lured this hot bae from out of town and she's she's game. She's like she's not like these local frigid girls.

Georgie:

She's straight off the bat like yep let's get it boy. So he's like, you know, pulling out his dick and, he's like, you wanna give me a head job? She's like, yeah absolutely. And she starts seducing him so he he really thinks she's going there and she bends down to his penis. He's holding it out there and she holds it in one hand and then she goes down she's about to put her mouth on it and she pauses takes a big whiff and then she slaps his erect penis and then gets up and runs away and he's like ew, not today. And that move very quickly became known as the sniff and slap, which would be the most humbling for

Freya Graf:

any teenage boy. Traumatizing. Traumatizing.

Georgie:

You know what? Actually, I don't know about traumatizing. I think a lot of men need that. I think if more if more men had that, there would probably be That is shit then. Yeah. %.

Freya Graf:

Well, it sounds like yeah. Because, like, on one hand, I'm like, oh my god. Like, if that was, like, a sensitive little lad, like, bless, poor thing. He thinks he's, like, about to get his first blow job to impress his mates because that's the done thing at that age or whatever whatever. And then now he's got, like, penis shame because he thinks he has a stinky dick and then for the rest of his life he can't get an erection properly and he has to, like, he washes it three times a day and strips all the oils from it and gets dick infections. Like, I'm thinking about, that how that could go. And if that was like a chick, honestly, imagine being a teenager and having someone go down there, sniff it and be

Georgie:

like, Yeah. But guys do do that.

Freya Graf:

Exactly. And how much does it fuck us up? But then, like, here But

Georgie:

patriarchy exists. Yeah.

Freya Graf:

Right? So And hearing you talk about how, like, half the time these guys would react by being, like, oh, what? Is that you? Like, what? Can't you even give me a wristy or something, you bitch? Like, you know, like, they were obviously just peer pressuring these chicks into trying to like

Georgie:

Understood. They felt so entitled to that. Yeah. And

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Yeah.

Georgie:

Yeah.

Freya Graf:

So I love it. Yeah. Right. But I'm like oh god. I feel like the sex coach in me can't love that but then the woman in me is like fuck yeah. Fucking fuck yeah, sister. Just absolutely put him in his place because, like, the amount of fucking teenage boys coercing teenage girls into doing shit they're not comfortable with and then bragging about it. And then who knows if she'd suck that dick, probably would have gotten around school that she was a slut and that they'd had full blown sex and whatever else.

Freya Graf:

So like, you know

Georgie:

And yeah. The the inability of him to tell the story I think is, you know, the key takeaway. It's like so humbling going back to your group of mates and being like, nah. Didn't get any. Like, but you gotta cop that rejection. Yeah. You gotta cop

Freya Graf:

it. Dude, the sniff and slap.

Georgie:

The sniff and slap.

Freya Graf:

Oh. And then Unbelievable. And then it just became a thing that she did.

Georgie:

Yeah. I reckon I did it once as well. Just tried it on for size. I mean, yeah. I don't think she did it all the time, obviously. It was just like But

Freya Graf:

it was a signature move.

Georgie:

Funny. Yeah. Signature move and so funny as well. Oh. Yeah. Like it's the kind of obviously if you like the guy you don't do it but it's like the for these cockhead wankers that think they're king shit Yeah. Yeah. It's like you're giving them a taste of their medicine.

Georgie:

Oh my god. Yeah. So need that.

Freya Graf:

Dude. Fucking oath. Like, that is very funny to me.

Georgie:

It's very funny.

Freya Graf:

Very, like, you know, very very problematic for certain reasons, but I fucking love to hear about a teenage girl that had the confidence and didn't give a shit enough about what guys thought of it. Like, that's so that's, like, impact you know, even though it's maybe not the healthiest expression of, like, you know, having boundaries or whatever. It's like more than I've ever heard a teenage girl have in terms of, like, confidence, self worth, boundaries, not fucking succumbing to peer pressure, putting putting other, like, boys in their place. You know, like, actually, that's so rare, and it's so not encouraged or socialized into girls. So I'm, like, very impressed and I fucking love that. And the ripple effect of that on your whole group, like, all of you

Freya Graf:

are just empowering each other. Yeah.

Freya Graf:

Well that's

Georgie:

what I mean like I think I think that's not something that I ever would have done on my own. It's not something that I would have come up with or you know if if the shoe was on the other foot and it was me I probably would have felt pressured because you know I grew up with Anak as a dad, and I grew up a people pleaser. So that would not have been, you know, my story. Mhmm. And I'm so lucky to have a friend like her that sort of paved the way with humor, you know, approaching these things which at the time we again, we just thought it was funny. We don't we didn't really look at it from the lens of, well, this is like actually educational for a lot of men and this is important that we're standing up for our boundaries. Like we didn't have the language around that at the time. It was just a funny stupid thing that we did.

Georgie:

Yeah. Well But I rate it.

Freya Graf:

Oh my god. I rate it so hard. Yep. That's fucking hilarious. Wow.

Georgie:

Do you reckon we should teach my daughter the sniff and slap?

Freya Graf:

Oh my god.

Georgie:

Oh my god. Two years off that.

Freya Graf:

Yes. But we've just got to teach her to differentiate between the ones that fucking need a good sniff and slap and the ones that actually deserve some tenderness. If anyone's making her feel uncomfortable or not taking no for an answer or pressuring her then definitely the sniff and slap should be

Georgie:

the best. Definitely. %. Yeah.

Freya Graf:

And it would be Fuck. Wild.

Georgie:

Fuck. Well, do you

Freya Graf:

know what I was thinking just back to the like the Clam Cave situation? Yeah. Maybe what we could do is like normalize self pleasuring and when we, you know,

Freya Graf:

not that it really

Freya Graf:

ever happens if, like, all of us are home, where one of us is like, see you later, guys. I'm just gonna go to the Clam Cave and have a bit of a bit of a mess. But, like, if we use language around it being like, oh, just having a trip to the the the pussy shack or fuck. I don't know. And if she sees that we prefer to to go and just, like, have some quiet time in our rooms or whatever without saying you have to be in private. It just sort of models like, oh, generally adults do tend to just like

Georgie:

Well, that's what that's I was gonna actually ask that question of you because cool, like modeling, putting in a tampon and stuff, easy. Yeah. What are you You do that all the time. Do you I don't I don't necessarily wanna model to her how I masturbate.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. I was gonna ask you like Yeah.

Georgie:

I don't want her to get any of my like that's her journey.

Freya Graf:

Mhmm.

Georgie:

I want her to figure out what she likes without watching me shove a fucking rabbit up my vag, you know?

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Well, more just that like we openly talk about that and when she's we know that she's, you know, rubbing against something or whatever, we can be like, like, celebrate that by being like, oh, having a fun little time in, you know, the bean room or whatever. Like, I don't know. I'm just spitballing. We don't have to do any of this. We could just use fucking normal language. But, yeah. It just it feels like a cute way to just talk about it normally.

Freya Graf:

And then if we talk about how we do that as well, it's just Yeah.

Georgie:

Normalized, I guess. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. I don't know about I

Freya Graf:

I don't know about mazzing in front of her.

Georgie:

No. I don't think so. But like what if she walks in? Well, let's just say she walks in on me doing it.

Freya Graf:

You just you yeah. We just explain it.

Georgie:

Stopping what you're doing and you're explaining what you're doing and then you're commencing again at another time.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. I think so.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. She asks questions. You just answer them and, yeah. Mhmm.

Georgie:

I think

Freya Graf:

that's that's all you can do really. Yeah. And not like acting ashamed, not hiding anything. Just being like, just welcoming her curiosity.

Georgie:

Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Because I think that initial reaction is

Freya Graf:

The most important thing.

Georgie:

Yeah. A %. Yeah. And it's something that's so hard to suppress because it is it's a like it's almost like an automatic

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Response.

Georgie:

Right? You've got to really like be consciously aware that that's coming up and be like, oh, actually Mhmm. You know, there's so much power in the pause, but Yeah.

Freya Graf:

It's pretty hard to It's hard to get some bad feelings out. Busted then you immediately just jump

Georgie:

and you're like, oh. Yeah. Yeah. Or if I'm busting her and I'm shocked in a way.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Yeah. %. Yeah.

Georgie:

True. Yeah. God. Pays to be regulated. Tell you what. Oh my god.

Freya Graf:

Dude. What's that like?

Georgie:

Still working on it so I'll let you know.

Freya Graf:

I wanna hear about your story of speaking of like childhood shame, getting docked in front of everyone. Oh. Yeah.

Georgie:

Such a good story.

Freya Graf:

It's so cute.

Georgie:

I was so young.

Freya Graf:

That's really cool.

Georgie:

I was in it was my first ever school camp. I was in grade three. Oh. And, again, keeping so I was I was the age of a I was the age of a second grader. So what's that seven or something?

Freya Graf:

Well, at least you were older. Imagine if you were older. Yeah. When you've learned to be embarrassed.

Georgie:

Yeah. True. I just don't know if it was the right, like, anyway. Yeah. I'll tell the story, and then you can decide if it was the right thing to do. But it was something that I subsequently got teased about for many years. So, yeah, it wasn't, like, great the way that things unfolded. But I was away on school camp, and we were given pieces of fruit, like, the bus had stopped somewhere.

Georgie:

And, you know, we were all having a piece of fruit for a snack and I had an orange. And so we're standing in this sort of bushy clearing, and I'd walked off towards the edge of the bush to throw my orange peel in the in the scrub. And I'd trodden on an ant's nest and instantly these ants just went straight up my pants and they were gnarly ants dude. They were like fire ants or bull ants or something. They were massive and they were straight up my leg. Obviously I just started jumping around like a headless chook and the teachers sort of rushed over to help me because I was just snacking my legs. They were biting me. Yep.

Georgie:

Yeah. It was insane. And, the teachers, pulled my pants down in front of everyone. Obviously, I was jumping around. I was making a lot of noise. Like, you can imagine me like, slopping my leg. Mhmm. And, the teachers rush over to to my aid.

Georgie:

And so they pulled my pants down in front of the entire camp. And everyone was just standing around watching me with my pants down, and these teachers just smacking ants off my legs.

Freya Graf:

Oh my god. And, undies as well?

Georgie:

Yeah. Took my undies off as well. I was completely butt naked down the bottom. Because they were all like Yeah. I'm biting around my vulva and Yeah. They were everywhere else.

Freya Graf:

Oh, dude.

Georgie:

So gnarly. What the fuck? Imagine that. Oh my god. Don't know if I still had my hymen at that point. Probably did.

Freya Graf:

Hopefully, otherwise it's pretty

Georgie:

cold on

Freya Graf:

out there.

Georgie:

Yeah. Little curtain. Little bit of tummy curtain. Anyway, yeah. So, you know, that became a bit of a thing where I was like, oh, Georgie Georgie had her pants stacked in front of everyone and Georgie with ants in her pants like yeah I was taunted about that for years and years to come. Oh my gosh. Yeah. It was a bit sad.

Georgie:

That's so brutal.

Freya Graf:

And also like potentially like slightly unavoidable if they like obviously there was urgency about the situation and you were in pain. And so they just wanted to act as quickly as possible to remove the ants. But like yeah. I mean ideally if they'd pause for a second and be like, okay, can we like put her behind the bus, one teacher stays with the kids, one teacher takes her

Georgie:

into private.

Freya Graf:

Just to shield you from like being seen.

Georgie:

Or can someone like, you know, round up the other kids and like, you know, give distract them, give them something to do rather than literally all eyes on me staring at my bare ass getting whacked over and over again.

Freya Graf:

Oh my god. That's traumatic, dude. Holy fuck.

Georgie:

Yes. Oh my god. I ended up getting quite sick on that camp too. And I don't know if it was related to the ants or what, but I ended up going to hospital. I was really dehydrated and it was my first, like, hospital stay, I think, from memory.

Freya Graf:

Holy shit.

Georgie:

Yeah. It was where I got my fear of needles from as well.

Freya Graf:

So Oh, that's an awful school camp.

Georgie:

Yeah. It was honestly I never wanted to go on school camp again. But did I go on school camp again? Yeah. Abso fucking lutely. I was I did as I was told. So, yeah. I I I hated school camps.

Freya Graf:

They were fucked, man. What about in high school when you could just bring your toothbrush with your gal pals?

Georgie:

Nah. Still, I don't I still didn't like them. I don't know. I'm trying to think how many school camps I went on in high school. Once I got to high school, I remember being like I don't know. I I started to feel a bit I was comparing myself to others. I mean, you know, I hated being on school camp because I wasn't particularly athletic, you know. I just felt like I wasn't cool, like, I wasn't a cool girl.

Georgie:

I remember being embarrassed that, like, you know, all the cool girls would be at camp and, you know, they've got cool clothes and, you know, I I was embarrassed just about who I was. Yeah. Yeah. To to some degree. And, yeah, I I I wasn't comfortable being me around, you know, my peers really. Apart from, like I I remember specifically, like, those late late primary school years, I definitely felt like that. And then, yeah, early high school. And then it changed a bit as I got older because I got a bit cooler like the the more I sort of got into high school and But, yeah, that awkward age where like you know you're a bit chubby and like you know you're not you're not you haven't, like, grown into yourself much.

Georgie:

I was I was uncomfortable with who I was and I was shamed for being, like, I was always really quite outgoing and, you know, loud and gregarious and I was shamed for that. Like, yeah. The boys were like, oh, you're the class clown. Like, you know, you're the class mouth. Like, I cop that a lot. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Georgie:

Fuck.

Freya Graf:

And that's just actually, like

Georgie:

It's just bullying, ultimately. Yeah.

Freya Graf:

And also, like, discouraging something that even despite all of the, like, socializing and conditioning of, like, girls to be, like, meek and mild and quiet and not not take up too much space, you would define that and, like, it's why you're such a fucking legend and like yeah people were trying to squash it even back then from such a young age. Like yeah it's fucking sad. It's great that you still turned out dope though. Yeah. And like I

Georgie:

feel I think I think I

Freya Graf:

think I think that as well.

Georgie:

Yeah. I mean, it's funny. Right? Even just escaping my last relationship, like, I was thinking again. I was like, that's yet another time where someone's tried to minimize me Yeah. And and and quash who I was. Yeah. Right? Like, it's so like, no one wants to see someone being happy and being themselves.

Freya Graf:

Like, I

Georgie:

shouldn't say no one, but there's people out there that Yeah. Really don't like that. Men and people that feel uncomfortable Especially

Freya Graf:

narcissists like your ex. %. Like, a %. Well, I mean, it's impressive that you've still hung on to it and, like, are passing that onto your daughter as well. Like, encouraging that headstrongness and the being outspoken and the being expressive and the being loud and just you know like really not squashing it at all and it really fucking shows.

Georgie:

You know? Thanks dude.

Freya Graf:

She's such a sick bitch. She's gonna be she's a fucking queen. And I can imagine, like, you as a kid, like, a little bit, like, just, you know, dancing and singing around the place and being, like, just super expressive and, like, yeah, just fucking frothing out over music and dance and Yeah. She's also already got a sense of humor, you know. Like, she's already funny. So

Georgie:

yeah. That is wild to me too because I'm like, how does that happen? Like, what even? I don't know.

Freya Graf:

Well, where's the area? I'm not complaining.

Georgie:

I'm not complaining at all, but, yeah. I'm Well, like, she's

Freya Graf:

so funny because we encourage it heaps and when she does or says something funny, we react and then she's like, oh, okay. I know how to get a little out of these bitches. She's already playing us. One last so the ants thing reminded me of, like a guy friend who was telling me these stories of, like, just the silly shit that they got up to, him and his mates when they were kids, just to entertain themselves because like you know also country town vibes like no internet, you know pre pre kind of social media. You just try to fucking get up to shenanigans. It was like the OG Yeah. What are they called? The fucking Steve O and

Georgie:

Oh, Jackass. Yeah.

Freya Graf:

It was like OG Jackass.

Georgie:

Yeah. Oh, we love Jackass. It was so funny. Yeah. Like, that was huge in time. The incident. Yeah. Definitely.

Freya Graf:

So like these guys, they they would be at like one of their houses had a swimming pool in the backyard and there was like a little hill up above the swimming pool

Freya Graf:

and there was an ant's nest on

Freya Graf:

there and they used to sit on the ant nest with their bare bum and see how long that they could sit on it and just let the ants bite them and crawl on them. Oh, no. Until they like had to like jump up and then they'd sprint and like bomb into the swimming pool. Because like the pool was right there so it's kinda like you sit on the ants nest as long as you can and then you jump in the water and it just like washes them away.

Freya Graf:

Oh. And I'm like, that sounds fucked.

Freya Graf:

Like, that does not sound that's definitely the kind of thing that little, like, young boys would do for fun and I don't think I know any of my friends that would have done something like that. So funny, though.

Freya Graf:

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Freya Graf:

So

Freya Graf:

something else. One other thing. One last thing.

Georgie:

It will not be the last thing. There's many more.

Freya Graf:

Adult diapers. Go.

Georgie:

So niche. Talk to me. So funny. Again, something that was just born out of wanting to be silly and funny. Well, and also

Freya Graf:

having like an you've got bladder stuff, hey?

Georgie:

Yeah. I've I Like it's a necessity. It's not a necessity. But it was like, oh, this will be funny and convenient at the same time, so I'm gonna roll with it. It's like, I remember having a couple of guys being to me, oh, this is this is some kink thing isn't it? Like this is, you know, do you sell your diapers or do you, you know, is this something that you do? I'm like, no. Not at all. It's just me being a fucking idiot. But yeah.

Georgie:

Obviously, they sell adult diapers just at the supermarket for for valid reasons for, you know Yeah. People with incontinence. And I'm definitely not at diaper necessity level. But I was going to a festival. Actually did it start at the festival? Yes it did. It started at a festival and I thought it would be funny, to dress up like a baby. Mhmm. So in true commitment to the bit, I went out and, bought some adult diapers.

Georgie:

And in wearing them at the festival, it was not just a costume. It was, you know, it was a practicality thing as well. It was so fucking good not having a cue to go to the toilet. Yeah. And having to leave the dance floor, you know, when your favorite artist is about to come on and you've been at the front for the last hour and you don't wanna lose your spot, like, wearing an adult diaper was revolutionary for me. Even just like it even got to the point where I was like, this is so good. I'm gonna wear them to bed because, you know, like, you go you go to bed in the middle of the night or whatever time it is, the early hours of the morning and then you just you're jolted awake by your full bladder because you've been drinking booze all night. Just not having to leave the cold like leave the tent and go out into the cold and pop a squat you know in broad daylight where everyone was seeing it.

Georgie:

I was like I'm just gonna lay in bed and piss in my nappy. Oh my god. It was so funny and good. And, yeah. There were heaps of people that were like, that is actually repulsive. That is so disgusting. Blah blah blah. I was like, you don't have to wear it.

Georgie:

I don't care. I think this is funny. And lots of people thought it was very funny too. So, yeah. I love love wearing a nappy to a festival. Oh, really? But it's it's even funnier if you make it part of the outfit because then you get less judgmental looks. Like, I can't imagine wearing a nappy and then like Trying to be a nappy. Sipping up some tight jeans on you.

Georgie:

It wouldn't work. Like Yeah. You gotta wear it under like your little silly dress and then you know you flush out your nappy when you're being a bit silly. So Yeah.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Yeah.

Georgie:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was a staple costume for a long time.

Freya Graf:

Oh my god. That's so fucking funny. And like so because I was like hang I've never like worn a nappy and pissed in one but I just imagine like you know sometimes my pisses are big like doesn't the nappy get heavy and like moist and soggy and then like annoy you and like don't you need to change it after you wee in at once? Nah.

Georgie:

I don't I mean it depends on the size of your wee but they are designed to hold like a lot and I think the technology it's not like you're wearing the terry towel and cloth Yeah. With the safety pin that we wore when we were babies Yeah. Like they they're actually pretty good. They you can feel it's definitely something like wet and heavy, but they're pretty good at like wicking the moisture away. Oh. Yeah. The technology's amazing. Yeah.

Georgie:

Wow. Yeah. So it's not that it it feels just like warm. Like you just you you're just sitting in some nice warm I mean you're barely sitting. You're sort of Yeah. You're up and about dancing.

Freya Graf:

Yeah.

Georgie:

Yeah. I mean the alternative is you can just pull your g string to the side and just piss standing up. Yeah.

Freya Graf:

Standing up. Fuck.

Georgie:

But if that splashes on people's feet they're

Freya Graf:

not gonna be very happy. Yeah. Yeah. Nah. Nappy's the way

Georgie:

to go. I reckon. Nappy's very good.

Freya Graf:

That's fine.

Georgie:

And if you if you do a shot.

Freya Graf:

Woah. Yeah. Did you do shots?

Georgie:

No. I didn't. I've never pooed in one. I've never pooed in one. Because who's gonna wipe my ass? Oh, me. That's right. I'm an adult.

Freya Graf:

Like, who's gonna change my nappy?

Georgie:

Oh my god.

Freya Graf:

I fucking love that because, also yeah. I mean, I it's so annoying and inconvenient, like, needing to wee at that point when, yeah. You're like it's like there's a massive line for the toilets, it's like cold, you're in the dance floor with your friends,

Georgie:

you don't wanna lose them, you don't wanna have

Freya Graf:

to like leave. Yeah. And then I think what's the, what's the name of the condition of your the whole bladder thing where like you don't get a warning that you need a wee until it's

Georgie:

like immediately upon you? Overactive bladder.

Freya Graf:

Okay. Yeah. So like obviously that snuck up on you a few times at festivals previously and you'd accidentally pissed yourself. Yeah. So this is like perfect.

Georgie:

Honestly, yeah. I get I get very urgent very quickly. So I don't like I don't piss myself all the time, but I'm no stranger to wetting my pants.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Yeah.

Georgie:

Because yeah. I really I will just be all of a sudden, I'll be like holy shit. I'm busting. And something that's really quite common is, with overactive bladder is like key in the door syndrome.

Freya Graf:

Yeah.

Georgie:

Have you ever experienced that?

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Georgie:

It's like all of a sudden as soon as you get really close to the door and you put in the key in the door you can you're like oh I'm busting busting. And that is actually a learned behavior because your bladder and your brain are on a loop where, you know, there's obviously feedback going back and forth and what I learned from my, pelvic health physio was that if we're constantly giving into the urge to urinate when we are really busting, that sort of reinforces to our brain that, well, that's when you go to the toilet. That's when you release is when you're really busting. And you're basically ignoring your body's warning signs. Mhmm. Because most people would get, you know, you get an early warning sign that you need to go to the toilet. You're like, yeah. I can feel something there.

Georgie:

Yeah. And I need to go to the toilet. And then from that early warning sign, most people can hold on for, you know, an hour or maybe more. But in my scenario, what basically happens for me is it's almost like those early warning signals are so small that I don't really feel them. I'm sort of just getting the later signals where it's like

Freya Graf:

Urgent.

Georgie:

Yeah. Pretty urgent. Like, I mean, I can I can hold on sometimes, but, yeah? It really depends. It really depends. So that was fascinating think learning because again, that was something I thought that was my, I thought that was my pelvic floor being weak. And then I learned that this is actually a really really common thing when you are trained, usually by your parents quite innocently. They don't know otherwise but, you know, oh, quick. Do do a do a we before you get in the car.

Georgie:

Mhmm. Quick. Do a we before you go to bed. Quick. Do a we before, you know, we go into this thing where you can't move for an hour. Like, even if you don't need to wee, emptying your bladder is not helpful because, again, that's training your bladder, you know, you're not learning to hold on for as long as you can. You're not giving your bladder that retention practice I guess. It's sending mixed signals to your brain.

Georgie:

Oh, maybe I'm busting now. Like, so that was something else that I learned. You know, I would I would feel really busting and then I would do away and like a hundred mils would come out. It's like that's weird. Well, that's that loop being reinforced. Yeah. You know, it doesn't really matter whether I I I am capable of filling my bladder because when I'm holding on for longer periods overnight, I was doing much much larger wheeze but it was only yeah. It was just very random in terms of what was yeah.

Georgie:

What was actually getting, getting through to the old brain.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. Well, fuck having the peace of mind of a nappy at a festival and you're drinking lots of liquid and you're

Georgie:

in an

Freya Graf:

altered state of consciousness.

Georgie:

You don't wanna piss the bed at a festival.

Freya Graf:

What a

Georgie:

hack. What an absolute hack.

Freya Graf:

That's fucking great. That is absolutely sick. Dope. And also a

Georgie:

lot of sympathy for your child that pisses themselves. You know? Yeah. No shame around that. Oh my god. Again though, so inconvenient like Yeah. Piss is not fun to clean but, you know, not helpful to shame that.

Freya Graf:

Yep. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Sick. Well, the only thing I have on my list that isn't to do with, parenting with a narcissist, which I feel like we could do a follow-up episode part two of is, sexy soul sister. And I also have cane toad races because that was a fucking great story. But yeah just whatever you feel like starting.

Georgie:

Well, sexysoulsister was again just me being an idiot. Purchasing the domain name, this would have been like ten years ago. Purchase the domain name sexysole,s0le,sister.com.au.

Freya Graf:

Like the sole of your foot?

Georgie:

The sole of your foot. Yeah. With the view that that's gonna be my my site for foot porn. Yeah. And I'm gonna sell all my feet pics on there. And so researching how to go about that was fascinating because I I don't know anything about it really, but I sort of started like dipping my toe in, pardon the pun, to that world of like what what does this look like and what do people want and like the requests were so funny. Can you take a photo of your Can you take a photo of you on a ladder? Like, they just People that love feet love just seeing your feet do interesting things. Mhmm.

Georgie:

Like, they don't have to be particularly attractive feet. Yeah. Because I mean it's subjective. Mhmm. But yeah you know, can I see your feet in some stockings? Can you know have you ever worn red shoes before? It was so like so So did you know? Funny. I didn't actually set up I didn't set it up so that I could sell photos from the website. I got the domain name because I'm like, that was that was the view. I was like, I'm gonna get rich off my feet pic.

Freya Graf:

So how are

Freya Graf:

you getting requests from people, like, on another site?

Georgie:

So it was I can't remember the name of it, but there was a I don't know if it was a blog or like a chat room or there's there was some one of those sorts of Fetish site. It was another fetish site. Yeah. Yeah. Where you could, you could connect with Fetlife? I can't remember what it was, but, yeah, this is ten years ago now. But, yeah, that was like, again, content creation never ever my strength. But yeah, it was it's just something that I thought would be really funny.

Freya Graf:

And did you so when you got some requests did you like ever take any photos and Yeah. Send them and send them?

Georgie:

Yeah. Yeah. Because I think a lot of it is like again I'm not a I'm not an influencer. Like, how was I gonna possibly push, you know, I needed to make some connections and build my brand. Does it like It's actually so hard to make decent money on that. Yeah. Dude.

Freya Graf:

Well, that's

Georgie:

what I realized in the end. I was like, I don't know how the hell I'm gonna push this because Yeah. I didn't want it to be associated with me as a person. I just wanted it to be something on the side that I did in secret that, you know, generated me squillions. Yeah. Which was not very realistic now that I know about it, but yeah it was so fascinating like like, you know, going to get pedicures and taking photos of my feet and sending them to random men across the globe and, Did you make much money? Nah. I didn't I didn't even make any money because I realized I was I was so out of my depth, like, I do I was not able to build a website to the point where Yeah. You know, I was gonna gonna make that a real thing.

Georgie:

It was just something that, something that I fantasized about doing.

Freya Graf:

Oh my god. That's so funny. Yeah. I love that. Well, we've all been there. We've all thought, hey, I wouldn't be sick to just make heaps of money off foot photos or, you know. Pretty hard as

Georgie:

a no one though. Even if you've got gorgeous toes. Yeah.

Freya Graf:

It's so much work. It's actually so much fucking work. It's running a business. It's building a following. It's being online all the fucking time, messaging back so many people, like, it's so much work. Work.

Georgie:

Well that's what I learned you know it was these men just wanted to talk endlessly about things that your feet had done and I'm like Oh my god. Hang on a second here they're just getting

Freya Graf:

They're getting a free wank.

Georgie:

They're getting a free wank. Yeah. Yeah. Silly me. Anyway. Nah. Well, we've all done it.

Freya Graf:

I've done it. We've

Georgie:

all done it.

Freya Graf:

Cool. Cane toads? Can Can you be fucks telling another story?

Georgie:

Cane toads. Oh god. What about the cane toads was so funny to you?

Freya Graf:

It was just I don't know the way that you told that story.

Freya Graf:

Maybe it's because I was stoned but it was really funny and entertaining to me. I don't know. Is it?

Freya Graf:

I think it was I think it was just

Freya Graf:

the novelty of like the fact that that's a thing and then like your daughter's reaction

Georgie:

Yeah. To you. Yeah. So true. So we recently went to Far North Queensland for a holiday. And where we went, beautiful beautiful town of Port Douglas. Like a resort town, and it's known for, cane toad races. They do these cane toad races in the town, at the local pizza restaurant.

Georgie:

Mhmm. And, it was just my daughter and I on the holiday. So we weren't there with a group friends or anything and my daughter's such a little princess isn't she? Like Yeah. She's a real delicate little flower.

Freya Graf:

And she has sensory sensitivity.

Georgie:

Yeah. She's she's not the kind of person that would naturally associate with a cane toad. I'll put it to you that way. Yeah. But her mother on the other hand is does anything for a laugh and just is like, you know what? This looks silly and fun. So you had to, Oh, that's annoying.

Freya Graf:

Smoke alarm guy testing the

Georgie:

smoke alarm.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. That's loud. Yeah. That is loud. Oh, well. I think we can probably continue.

Georgie:

Hopefully the bypass is pointing away from it. The so the the and the guy that was facilitating the race was like really quite like, you know, it was a classic

Freya Graf:

A showman.

Georgie:

He was a showman, but you know, he was also a classic, far north Queenslander. Like, you know, he was drinking VB stubby's and yeah. He was a real blow. He used to work at the crocodile at the crocodile, like the local reptile farm, and he used to, you know, chase crocodiles up river and Yeah. Real Dundee type. Real Dundee type. Really funny. But to be involved in the cane toad races, he's he he essentially auctioned off the toads.

Georgie:

So, you know, you you gotta pay for your toad to get into the race. And being in, the property field, I was no strange to an auction. So I jumped in and I got us a toad.

Freya Graf:

And like did he like say this one's known for like it's you know prowess in wet weather and this one's really fast on the inside like

Georgie:

Yeah. There was there was like I reckon there was six or eight toads and they all had you know, like humorous names like, they were all just, silly. Like, one of them was, oh, god. I wonder if I should get them up so that I'm not just talking out of talking out of town here. What? Because it will be funnier than I have

Freya Graf:

the room on here because I took no.

Georgie:

No. I took photos. I took photos and videos. That's so funny. So let me just scroll through my camera roll to when we had our holiday because it will make for a better story, I think. Fuck

Freya Graf:

yeah. How's this poor smoke alarm guy just being like, what are these bitches lying out there naked having just living a life of luxury on a weekday?

Georgie:

It's like well oh. He might be leaving now. When the weather's nice, this is what we do. Alright. We're nearly there. Bear with me. Thank you. Oh, here we are.

Georgie:

So the names of these toads, Jerry Springer. Oh, because they're they're they're Springer. Boing? Yeah.

Freya Graf:

Oh my god. Fat bastard.

Georgie:

Okay. Classic. Skippy's love child.

Freya Graf:

What? Oh my god. Okay. Camel toad.

Georgie:

That that's my fave. That was the one I really wanted. Damn.

Freya Graf:

But I

Georgie:

didn't get that one. Donald Jump. Oof. I hate that. Jebediah Springfield. Okay. Two springs. And our toad was Aussie Aussie Aussie.

Georgie:

Oh my god. So bogan. Right? Oh my god.

Freya Graf:

But

Georgie:

whenever whenever he said Aussie Aussie Aussie, the crowd had to go oi oi oi.

Freya Graf:

Oh my god.

Georgie:

So it was like, you know, a bit of a theatrical event whenever he was speaking about our toad. So they did two races with the toads. The first race was pre auction. So the first race was like, you know, at random draw from the crowd or anyone that had had a birthday or whatever. However he picked them, he'd pick six people to race in the first race.

Freya Graf:

Mhmm. And

Georgie:

then after the toads had done the first race, then he'd do the auction, which was really quite smart because the toads that won the first race, people would be like, oh, I'm gonna, you know I'm gonna pay more money for that. For that. Right? True. But as we know, they're animals. They're highly unpredictable, and there was no real method to yeah. It didn't really make much difference. So our our toad came fourth in the first race.

Freya Graf:

Nice.

Georgie:

But nevertheless, that was one that we bid on and that was the one that we got. And how the toads are actually supposed to race is they start off in a bucket in the middle of the table. And the whole idea is that it's it's a round table and you've got to stand around the table at any point. You have to catch your cane toad in your hand. Ideally, if you can you can't touch the table, so you can't pick the toad up. You either have to catch it as it's jumping off the table or you have to get it once it's on the ground and then you've got to run to the other side of the room and and plonk it plonk it

Freya Graf:

Oh my god.

Georgie:

In a bucket. Oh. But they're all starting in the one bucket upside down on the table essentially. And so he, you know, on your marks, get set, go. He lifts the lid off the bucket and these toads just some of them just stay still and do absolutely nothing and others are, you know, jumping around at all ends of the table.

Freya Graf:

And everyone's like yelling and cheering them all.

Georgie:

Yeah. Everyone's yelling and cheering and he gave you a little, party blower. You know that Yeah. So you've got a party blower so you can blow your toad in the right direction I forgot about that. If you think that's that's gonna help. So, you know, it's quite funny because there's all these kids that are Aww. Blowing, people are cheering for their toads. That sounds

Freya Graf:

like mayhem.

Georgie:

It was honestly madness and, my three year old daughter who was just so happy to have the party blower was just innocently standing on the edge of the table. And her mother who is just a freak for for competition and you know just wants to win. I took it so fucking seriously that, I just, you know, as soon as the lids off and it's go, I was like, right. Where's our frog? I was like hunting him down. I was being really strategic about where I was standing on the table. I wasn't bothering blowing the thing. Billy was doing that. And while I'm trying to catch the toad, my poor daughter's just got cane toads jumping all over her.

Georgie:

Oh. And we're in Far North Queensland. It's hot. So she's not really wearing a lot clothes. So she's got cane toads crawling all over her skin and she's screaming. And and I'm completely ignoring her, because while that's happening, I've caught the toad in my hand. I'm like, I've got him. I run over to the bucket and I drop him in the bucket and we won.

Freya Graf:

And you and we won. But Billy's I mean, your daughter's having a meltdown.

Georgie:

She's having an absolute meltdown and, there's this poor woman from the crowd, a complete stranger that's like, oh, there there. So the minute that I dropped the toad into the bucket, I'm like, oh, where is she? Go and see my daughter on the edge just like in hysterics, because she's got cane toad juice all over her and, I missed one very important element before you put the toad in the bucket you have to kiss it. You have to kiss it.

Freya Graf:

Oh, okay.

Georgie:

So I've I've I've macked on Please

Freya Graf:

kiss the toad.

Georgie:

I've macked on with the cane toad which, yeah, was repulsive, but quite funny. And, yeah, so I'm just like, yeah. I'm cheering. I'm so fucking stoked that we've won this thing because, you know, there was actual prizes. We won we won voucher to the restaurant, and I've got a stubby holder that, you know, says I've won the race.

Freya Graf:

My god.

Georgie:

Prize position. Absolute gold.

Freya Graf:

Oh.

Georgie:

And, yeah, the photos that follow are so funny because it's like me holding up the toad, like, happy as Larry like big cheesy grin. Oh. And, my daughter just like cringing and, you know, she's like doesn't even wanna be next to me but she didn't wanna borrow the the poor thing.

Freya Graf:

Oh, that's so funny. Yeah. She's probably gonna be scared of frogs and toads forever now.

Georgie:

I really hope not, because I think that was I wonder if it was just a sensory overload thing for her. I I was hoping that by me demonstrating that they're not scary or gross, because like a a lot of a lot of our fear is learned behavior. Right? And I I didn't want her to I was like, cool. They wouldn't they wouldn't do this. And he even explained in the in the preamble that, you know, cane toads are poisonous, but, you know, not not if you're just touching their skin in a certain spot. You have to touch them in, you know, in this specific location, and it's, you know, it's basically not gonna happen while you're here, so don't worry about it. So I was like, cool. Fine.

Georgie:

I mean, he does these all the time. I believe him. I don't think I'm gonna get sick from fucking kissing a cane toad on the lips for point one of a second.

Freya Graf:

On the lips.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Wow. Are they slimy?

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Oh, no.

Georgie:

And they're warty. Really? Yeah. They're really lumpy.

Freya Graf:

I've never seen one in real life.

Georgie:

Oh. Do you wanna see a photo? Yeah.

Freya Graf:

Go on. I mean, I've seen photos before but I guess I just forgot. I couldn't tell if they were like

Freya Graf:

dry leathery kind of frog skin or like slimy wet.

Georgie:

Look at the elation on my face from

Freya Graf:

Oh my god. You're on such a holiday.

Georgie:

I'm on cloud nine and she is just clinging to me for dear life.

Freya Graf:

Oh my god.

Georgie:

So funny.

Freya Graf:

There's this

Georgie:

there's a little slippery guy. Yeah. Not a very clear image but Face. Very funny. Can I post that

Freya Graf:

in the Labia Land Facebook group for the private members if you're comfortable?

Georgie:

Hell yeah. Yeah. Look, I'm taunting her with the cane tone. Not my proudest mum moment. Oh my god. Very funny.

Freya Graf:

She's Funny to me. Looks concerned. She's really not a

Georgie:

boy. She didn't like it whatsoever. But anyway, look at that. That's that's a good

Freya Graf:

one isn't it? Send send them to me.

Georgie:

I'll send them your way. So good. Anyway, Dope. That's oh god that's my vibe. That's a fun

Freya Graf:

that's a good story. That's a good story. Imagine imagine like like I've never heard of anything like that. Like, you know, toads in a bucket on the center of a table. Everyone's got party blowers. Like, it's it's chaos. Like, that's a funny day.

Georgie:

It was so funny. Yeah. Yeah. It was very, very funny. And, yeah. The the amount of toads that just, you know, they just hop through the crowd, like, all the people that think they're just there to watch and they're not actually involved because they're like, oh, this is disgusting. Yeah. And then you see the toad, like, holling on their lap.

Georgie:

Yeah. It's just the funniest thing.

Freya Graf:

That's

Georgie:

so cool. Yeah. It's a must do. If you're in Port Douglas, you gotta go to, what's it called Chili's? Chili's Pizza Lounge. Chili's Pizza Restaurant.

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Freya Graf:

How's that? Love that. Love that. Love that.

Georgie:

Yeah. Oh, man. I'll have so many more stories. I need to just unlock them

Freya Graf:

for a while. Yeah. Whenever you, think of any, write a little note down for yourself. I feel like we should do like this like once a month or

Georgie:

something. Just

Freya Graf:

riff on

Georgie:

stories and stuff. Yeah. For sure.

Freya Graf:

That would be so nice.

Georgie:

Yeah. I don't think I've even told you much about my time even at, like, Burning Man or No. Traveling overseas.

Freya Graf:

No. Not at all.

Georgie:

There are so many stories. We'll have to do a whole another epi on that. Fuck. Yeah. What about masturbating the shower head? Who I talk talk oh. And you know another place I used to masturbate? On the on the jets of a spa.

Freya Graf:

I feel

Georgie:

like that's probably not that uncommon.

Freya Graf:

Yeah.

Georgie:

She's not even too much.

Freya Graf:

Toothbrushes. Well, they've made like a shower head fitting now that's specific. It's a sex toy. It's full. Wow. Alright. Because everyone's doing it anyway so they've made like a supermodel.

Georgie:

That's pretty cool.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. That's fascinating.

Freya Graf:

Yeah. Well, there

Georgie:

you go.

Freya Graf:

There you go. Fuck yeah. Cool. Well, yeah. Let's do let's

Freya Graf:

do another episode about, yeah, how it's been parenting single parenting after breaking up with baby daddy who's a sociopath. Actual sociopath. Narcissistic personality Yeah. Disorder.

Georgie:

Sitch. Quite literally. That's that's

Freya Graf:

a whole a whole other thing and I think will be really relatable to a lot of people sadly. Apparently narcissists make up ten percent. Wow. Which seems high. That seems crazy. I guess when you

Georgie:

consider all the different types of Yeah. Narcissism and the fact that it is on a spectrum so Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, fuck. Well, again, interesting tying into the whole, like, shame topic from today. But narcissism is born from shame. Really? Yep.

Georgie:

Yep. Because they're so deeply ashamed of who they are and they're too that's why they have this whole act, you know, and enjoy making others feel small and worthless and useless. And useless? Useless. Because it makes them feel better about their shame. Crazy. Right? Fuck. No shame here.

Freya Graf:

Thanks for all that or thanks for the story.

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Freya Graf:

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